It wouldn’t matter if they’re making fidget spinners, lawnmower engines or p-traps for a sink. I’ve pumped as much as 500+ rounds in a day through mine, and it never misses a beat. Something a single barrel shotgun can’t do. It often seems to me as if people are too blind to see their own noses, and yet tell me I’m the blind one because they can score a whitetail’s antlers from three miles away… or at least claim that they do. The “Spanish” double guns range in quality all over the place – from the very, well, shoddy, to the exceedingly well made. I have a funny story about Zoli shotguns. Why does the price jump when you go from sxs to over under? Without seeing the gun in question, I can’t say much more than this right now. Look around the top level competitors in trap, skeet, international/Olympic competitions, and you’ll see a profusion of K80’s. There are high-end bespoke gunmakers there as well. If there’s one thing that’s important to a shotgun-wielding competition shooter, it must be the fit. If it weren’t for Fudds we wouldn’t have bullshit like the Gun Control Act of 1968, the Hughes Ammendment, or the now expired Clinton AWB. Oh, what a marvel of mechanical trinket is the Cosmi – a semi-auto that opens like a break-action shotgun. The 3200 didn’t have the quality to survive the demands of competitive shooters, and neither does the Winchester Model 101. Two metal tubes connected to a buttstock with a … If you head a second sharp “click” of the second hammer hitting the firing pin, then you have a gun with a mechanical trigger. Should it ever need gunsmith attention, it’s a very straightforward gun to work on. you would just have to shoot one to understand I guess. Sure, a double-barrel shotgun is in essence two shotguns. Save Share. Why? There are still some parts available from Numrich and Browning, but they’re well enough made that you shouldn’t need much in the way of parts. I just bought an H&R single shot for $100, then punched myself in the head so I’d see double. I have cows in order to have good quality meat for myself. Both being of Italian origin and having tempered their reputations in the heat of competition, the dualities these brands share are too obvious to ignore. Well he turns kinda green and mean n says about $45.000 bucks. Well one thing is certain. They’re nearly indestructible, with a gas system that is foolishly easy to clean, with only a few parts that are large enough you won’t lose them if you open the gun up in the field. But that’s a far cry from saying they aren’t justified: during the London Olympics, Perazzis were the favoured tool among trap and skeet shooters, with 75 out of the 132 shooters preferring the Italian marque. That cost is entirely set by supply and demand. They do have a specific set of advantages to shotgun shooters – before we start talking of embellishments and “best gun” values. one day I’ll get one. Now, when I do barrels, I don’t take shortcuts. Could you please give examples of what you mean? Barrel Specs: 1.500kg. Remington thought they had let this go on too long, and in 1973, they brought back an improved/COGS-reduced version, the 3200. In the case of our test gun, this process entailed an entire Saturday and somewhere near a hundred rounds of ammunition before we could conclude we’d reached the perfect figures, which were then confirmed with a few more rounds on Sunday after a decent rest. Both work very well. Ruger has the corner on that market. Remember, the high end guns are very durable, so are Browning and Beretta by the way, so a "lot" of people shooting them bought them at much cheaper prices...many are bought used. Excellent article, explained the concept in detail without going over my head. It is very plain compared to the Superposed product. Here’s what too many American shooters today are stubborn to admit: There is a market for finer guns than the crap being shipped to Walmart. Here’s a list of high-end double gun makers from Europe, just off the top of my head. Before highly repeatable CNC machines came along, this was another job done by the hands of a skilled gunsmith. Obviously, two of those would be $500. Again, I saw dips/sags/ripples/waves/kinks in the barrel profile when you sight down the barrel. Your 3 reasons for Glock Gen 5 article sucked. Easy. whoever wrote that article needs to charge admission to get in his gun shop. If any more proof was needed, in the 2008 Olympics, 15 of the 16 placed Trap shooters used a Perazzi. well, a quality brand would be like Beretta and Benelli. Remington owned this design, from the get-go. Well, if upon reading this article you find yourself continuously saying “but a Remington 870 breaks targets just fine,” then chances are good that a Perazzi’s not in your future. I, being an economic nationalist, am furious at the stupidity and sloth of large American gun makers in turning up their nose at the fine(r) gun market. My 390 looks like it has been dropped down a mountainside – because it has been – twice, while hunting chukar. Shell Size: Shotgun shells are pretty damn big which is why shotguns are fairly limited in their capacity. The money is there in the market. I’m just trying to impart information. The Model 32 had some unique engineering advantages, and it is a very competently designed action. Yeah, if it were not for Fudds we wouldn’t have f&%$ing gems like the Gun Control Act of 1968, Hughes Ammendment, or the Clinton AWB (that expired thank God). Now.” I get dragged away from the German pecksniffs and down an aisle to… Zoli shotguns. The result of all this is, of course, a ridiculously reliable action. Or are they complete crap? As it turns out, Zoli guns are made in Italy, on modern CNC equipment (some of the CNC equipment is German), to very nice levels of production, fit and finish. Great article. You go buy yourself a set of Briley sub-gauge tubes: http://www.briley.com/c-238-tube-sets-and-tube-set-accessories.aspx. Now I also look forward to his posts. Old Unc' Member. They’re not made to the level required to shoot thousands of rounds per year, their finish is rudimentary, and their fit-up is… inconsistent. Any thoughts on a decent O/U gun for under $1,000? Well reasoned but one big question still lingers . You just saved us the trouble, and likely money to boot. My wife is around guns all the time because of me, knows how to shoot pretty well, but guns are not a passion for her. There’s several reasons, but let’s start with the most obvious: When you purchase a double-barreled shotgun, the shotgun has two barrels. I’m kind of glad that here, north of you next to the Canada border, I get way more basic argimachining tasks than I do gunsmithing. I’ve never needed additional parts on mine. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Dunno but at the local trap club I was yakin with a bloke so I say gee nice gun sport must be a few grand in that. K-80 and Perazzi have screw on/off interchangeable stocks. Easy to swing for clays and birds. I might add, there is no shortage of better semi-auto gun models coming from off-shore as well. You are so patient. Because I’ve never heard that. And as for the performance… well, suffice it to say that that is yet another aspect in which Perazzi can be thought on par with that other famous Italian marque; Ferrari. Pud-simple. C-G’s guns have some interesting features that make them very attractive. The Field has sifted through the myriad option to reveal the definitive list of the world’s 20 best shotguns. Careful. Lots of commenters on the web, in print, etc., appear to not understand why double-barreled, break-action shotguns cost so much more than the typical pump or semi-auto shotgun. Part of it is the craftsmanship that goes into those expensive shotguns. Long story short: Quality SxS and O/U shotguns have lots more going on in them – there’s a lot more parts, involvement and labor involved than a single-barrel pump or semi-auto. Let's face it, 90% of the shooters would rather have a double-gun. If you look at SxS trap guns of 50+ years ago, you see beavertail foreends are pretty common. This take a significant amount of attention by a skilled gunsmith at the factory to make this a reality. I like mine – and I have plenty of shotguns from which to choose when I go to a range, whether semi-auto, pump, SxS or O/U. ive always wondered why shotguns come across in video games as close quarter weaponary? Thank you for sharing this. The author might understand shotguns, but he doesn’t understand economics, specifically market prices. You can buy certain high end shotguns used in the $3,000-$6500 range, and they look almost the same as new ones in the $8500-$10,000 range. I’d never heard of Zoli shotguns before. The early 870’s are pretty nice too, but not as nice as the high end 12’s. He gave generously of his time, and even when I forthrightly told him I was a gunsmith, he was happy to discuss technical details of how his company made shotguns and solved manufacturing issues for nearly an hour, whereas most gun company execs shut up and some even turn away from me in these shows when I tell them I’m a gunsmith. And this is where Perazzi begins their process. Because Krieghoff puts Teutonic obsession into the quality of their steel, and they don’t take shortcuts. And we haven’t been babying it, either. I like to screw up a bit more slowly – so I have a chance to say “This ain’t going the way I want, let’s back off and fix this before it gets so far wrong, I can’t recover.”. It’s got some nice scroll work. – very straightforward to work on This brought forth a new wrinkle that double-barreled gun makers had to solve that a single-barrel pump or semi-auto doesn’t: how to advance the single trigger to fire the second barrel. The 391 seemed like gilding an already well-done gun. Another factor not mentioned is that fewer over-unders are sold, which means volume doesn’t bring down costs like pumps and semis. When you have a pre-profiled barrel that has surface deviations, it takes hours to whittle away all the imperfections on a barrel to get down to a round, smooth barrel. I also hope that Dyspeptic Gunsmith comes along to comment, but for 1.5K, the Browning Citori is a fairly decent gun for what you’re looking at (the amount of shooting and uses). The last large American gun company CEO who really knew anything about guns was Bill Ruger. Another thing about the A5 is that if the recoil adjustment rings were set up for high-brass hunting loads, and the shotgun stored for a long time like this, the recoil spring might have taken a set, and the spring won’t soak up as much recoil as it should. However, by building their company off a business model that blends the most important benefits of ordering a bespoke gun (custom gun fitting and whatnot) with just enough of the production line ethos to keep prices at least somewhat reasonable, Perazzi should be commended for maintaining a price list that’s much closer to that of a Beretta DT10 or DT11 than they are to even the cheapest of Purdey, H&H, or Boss products. If you like to swap barrels around, the K-80 is the choice. While even mainstream manufacturer Beretta is now offering a stock-fitting service on their higher end competition guns, Perazzi has purports to be the only manufacturer of scale that produces each gun, individually, by hand, and under one roof. I’m talking of outfits that make guns in the $3K to $15K range: Perazzi, Caasar-Guerini, Zoli, Rizzini, Salvinelli, Beretta, Fabarms (all from Italy), then Merkel, Blaser, Krieghoff (Germany). And even more impressive, after all those rounds, it hasn’t changed one bit. Double-barrel purists swear by double triggers, with the front trigger typically firing the more “open” of the two barrels first, and the rear trigger fired the tighter choked barrel. This is known as an “inertia trigger.” The disadvantage of the inertia trigger is that in the event of a misfire (ie, the first barrel didn’t fire) or the shooter forgot to load the first barrel, there is no easy way to access the second barrel’s load. Make sure the ribs are tight and the barrels are on-face before you buy it, and you should have a solid gun that will last many, many thousands of rounds for a very reasonable price. Oh, they try to tell you that they’re “gun guys,” but they’re not. Next question: How can Stoeger make them so cheaply? why are O/U or SxS shotguns so expensive? No matter the issue or topic, I search out your response in the comment section because it reeks of sensibility and “been there, done that; but I won’t rub it in”. PERAZZI MX8 SPORTER. Even during the depths of the Great Depression, Remington sold thousands (total) between ’32 and ’40/’41, when the American gun industry had to convert over to making war armaments. Your email address will not be published. This means that a double barrel shotgun can be configured for patterns at different ranges. No matter, Mr. Zoli was charming, gracious, flawlessly polite in a very Old World way, and this resulted in my wife coming back to haul me over to his booth – partly to see the obvious quality, fit & finish of the guns, partly to meet such an engaging and informed gentleman. Thank you Dyseptic for the detailed explanation. I just learned about the 390 from a friend. Makes me want to get it out, get new recoil spring, and figure out how to adjust the brass recoil friction ring correctly. You can make a shotgun out of platinum and it would be very expensive. In sporting clays, a lot of the stands release a pair simultaneously so the second show will always be several yards longer than the first. There is the inevitable difficulty of judging old against new, form against beauty, value for money over performance. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Put simply, these guns are for those avid shotgun enthusiasts that refuses to compromise on their equipment, and that means shooting a gun that’s been custom made to their measurements and specifications, and was entirely hand-fitted for utter reliability. I now need to build a nice case for the gun and the extra barrel sets. Mr. Zoli embodies the sort of leadership a gun company CEO should have – a person with a passion for guns, a passion and enthusiasm for quality, who knows the smallest details of what sets his product apart from the competition, knows the prices/features/etc of all of his guns and products. . You will get yourself a review and encounter form here. You lack knowledge of the double gun market. – ejector gun (you can disable the ejectors to be lifters only) A basic, off-the-shelf Perazzi MX8 has a recommended retail price of £4,523. To each his own I suppose. Once the fitting is complete, the measurements are then sent to Perazzi’s Brecia-based manufacturing facility, where the difference between Perazzi and other manufacturers truly begins. All of this is done in order to give the best gun fit possible. I’d be interested in DP’s thoughts here, but three good options would be: Franchi Instinct $1200 Interesting, I find what he posted amusing and what you posted offensive. There’s no shortage of good semi-auto and pump guns in the market. This is NOT an exhaustive list, and it also doesn’t include the British “best gun” outfits, who make sporting guns that go for $50K+. Beretta makes very fine guns in this price range too. Stoeger guns are meant for very light duty shooting. What sets the price of any manufactured good? These best shotguns are at the apex of the gun world. Modularity: This is where the K-80 shines. The ability to have a more open choke for the first shot, and then a tighter one for the second is very useful for sporting clays. American business management (modulo Tony Galazan, and a few makers of top-drawer American guns like Kolar, Ljutic, etc) seems destined to just watch all that money go off-shore – much like American auto manufactures cannot seem to comprehend that there is a market for high-end performance sedans with uncompromising quality that will sell for over $100K. They need more attention during their creation then single-barrel guns. Today, there are a couple of Basque gunmakers who still hand-make their guns – much the way the Brits used to. Most production rifles I see now (Remington, Savage, etc) are at least 0.004″ out of concentric with the bore, which is worse than I’d ship, but fairly typical, from my observations. Fudds only care about saving shotguns and broke dick bolt action deer rifles that shoot minute of barn. When you have a rib, the rib must be fit to the contour of both barrels in order to get the rib to have the correct elevation/profile, and to get the barrels to remain parallel from the chambers to the muzzle. But it shoots 3″ buck and slugs fine (but with a little recoil ). But should you? Frequent commenter Dyspeptic Gunsmith, a man who’s seen a shotgun or two in his day, has this to say about that: Lots of commenters on the web, in print, etc., appear to not understand why double-barreled, break-action shotguns cost so much more than the typical pump or semi-auto shotgun. The cut-away of the action/receiver is very instructive for people to study – when you open the barrels on a double gun with ejectors, you get a better appreciation as to what is happening if you study that cut-away picture. This allows the shooter to see the target, and swing the gun through the target’s plane of travel almost subconsciously, pulling the trigger as they swing through the clay target itself. Beretta has a higher-end SxS in the $60K range as well. Thanks too Dan. What was the point? I’m sure you get what you pay for but if I’ve been thinking of getting into trap shooting and starting with a Stoeger combo. If we want to get down to differences between the gun designs, I’d say this: There are many O/U guns that are being designed for the clay sports markets, especially trap/skeet/clays. Less so with the Perazzi and not at all with the B-25. And what’s even more impressive, by the time the Olympics had wrapped up, Perazzis had helped a whopping 12 of the 15 Olympic shotgun medallists mount the podium, all of whom did it with exactly the same guns that Perazzi sells every day, to thousands of happy clients. It was an O/U gun – and available in a plain finish to nicely embellished. http://www.browning.com/products/firearms/shotguns/citori/discontinued/citori-625-sporting-golden-clays-two-barrel-set.html, http://www.stoegerindustries.com/news/new-stoeger-condor-combo-delivers-two-shotguns-in-one-for-value-versatility. When I’m shooting my antique SxS guns in trap competition, I usually have a TIG welding glove on my left hand to prevent burns. I can accept bead blasting (albeit finer bead blasting than most I see) for a parkerized finish, but for a blued finish? They’ll often have chrome-lined barrels, with back-boring, long forcing cones and interchangeable chokes. There’s one more issue between the SxS gun market and the O/U – the forearm. Joined: Apr 1, 2011 Messages: 476 Location: PA and VA. scythefwd, marketing enters into it. The guys who really brag on the 390’s are those ranches down in South America where you can shoot hundreds of doves in a day. Many double-barreled, break-action shotguns are made “tight” so that as they wear, they become more easily opened. That is one of the real problems with today’s amerika. “At least a farmer doesn’t think he’s qualified to tell the machinist how to turn out a part.”. The best SxS or O/U guns will have a polish & blue job that your eyes get lost into – much like the Royal Blue on a Python revolver. They always think “How can we make this more cheaply, and make it look more cheap and low-rent?” Even with an existing design, for which they need pay nothing and no patent or IP rights, because they originally owned the original design, Remington cannot conceive of how to make a gun that doesn’t look cheaper over time. I will do so eventually as I attempt to fill out my Fallout gun collection, but…. There is a profusion of European companies selling double guns at very nice margins into the US market. A good book to read is: “Spanish Best: The Fine Shotguns of Spain,” by Terry Wieland, (c) 1995. Having double triggers allows the shooter to choose the barrel with the tighter choke first, if the shot requires it. the reason why the're so much more expensive is because there's a higher level of craftsmanship usually, as well as it being more painstaking to make sure the barrels are aligned correctly. Many SxS guns have a simpler lockup system than the current O/U’s, and the SxS guns are usually not designed to take the level of use that the higher-end O/U’s of today are designed to take. The Model 51 is a slim, quick-pointing, a safe, reliable design with fewer parts than most semi-autos of 80+ years ago, reliable (and proven so by US War Department testing to replace the 1911 back in the 1920’s). Dyspeptic Gunsmith; My favorite semi-auto gun is a Beretta 390. These might just be tiny differences, but they’re just a few of the many tiny differences that amount to a vastly more lithe and lively feeling gun than most. I’ll jump in here: Mr. DG, thank you for the information and explanations. All Remington had to do was produce the original Model 51 design in 9×19, and they could have had a winner. 4. One of the reasons why I don’t use many power tools in gun finishing is that power tools can screw things up fast. The K80’s competition in the top-level competition market? Today, the Model 32 design has been updated and refined, often nicely embellished and sold as the Krieghoff K80 – no auto-setting safety Oh, and Costi. It looks smooth and perfect, from your eyeball to the other end. However, tens of thousands of rounds later without a single hiccup to report, it’s obvious that our MX2000/8 is working just fine. The other alternative which I’ll present to you are insert tubes. Thanks for this article, and I hope to read more from you as you have time and inclination. I have been wanting one for turkeys for a long time. Alternatives Anyone looking at a Perazzi might also cast an eye over guns by Kemen, Gamba, and the more expensive boxlock Berettas. That means that Perazzi themselves have direct control over each and every pin, spring, and piece that goes into their guns, which in turn allows them to ensure better quality controls. Perazzi produce a great range of guns, many of which are used by professional clay shots. When you start trying to shoot clay games with a splinter foreend, you’ll find out very quickly that a shotgun barrel can get very, very warm – warm enough to give you a partial thickness burn, with tidy blisters. Go do some homework on the market – and you’ll see how many Italian, German and English makers of fine (and I mean FINE) double guns at prices far above the Weatherby or the Turkish gun Dan reviewed which led to my publishing the comment on my blog above. They’re not for everyone. That’s perfectly fine. . A decent O/U that is American made is almost non-existant. I can appreciate things like scrollwork and inlay, and a nice stock vs. a synthetic. I mean, you could make a Stoeger with harder material that would last longer than a few hundred rounds, double the price and still be well under the competition. You’ll go from a 12 to a 20 gauge, but for clay sports, you’re still able to throw 1 1/8 oz loads downrange out of a 20 gauge. Pricing ranges from middle 6 figures down to what an ordinary competition gun costs. Enjoyed the article very much, learned something new, and your detailed replies to comments have made this the best thread to read in months. The A400 puzzled me – why? Close. Furthermore, I can purchase a single-barrel break action shotgon (ala H&R Handi-rifle platform) for $250. This might not be a market you wish to sink your money into, but it is there, just as there is a market for high-end European automobiles in the $100K+ range. I could give you another example in the Winchester Model 21 SxS,( “the gun that saved Winchester”), but that’s a whole story in and of itself beyond this response. By the way my go to shotgun is a Remington 1100 Special so Field So its not like I have any super nice shotguns … Completely devoid or snaps, cracks, or undue thumps, it was so free of acoustic drama that at first one was forced to wonder if it has actually locked up at all! The action of opening the gun cocks the ejectors in the forearm, and when one or both barrels of the gun are fired, then a trip lever communicates this from the hammer in the receiver to the trigger/sear in the forearm for that barrel. Why? Most don’t even understand production or engineering problems. Once you start joining two barrels together, you’ve signed up for a Job, NB the capital “J,” and it starts with the barrel profiles, then the rib profile. Whenever we run a review of a double barrel shotgun, we get comments wondering why an over/under costs, on average, so much more than a similar semi-automatic or pump model. After that, Remington let the Model 32 go unloved for some time, then they sold the rights to a Dupont fella, who then pitched it at Krieghoff in a Marshall Plan deal to give the Germans something to make to help get their economy going again. Perazzi offers 10 models within which several different models and engraving patterns are available. They cost more because fuds buy them and fuds have a lot of money to burn. This is a simple place to do finishing – because they don’t have ribs on most rifle barrels. Put the barrel on a spinner, then polish it on a belt grinder, that’s how. At this point in my life I have zero need for them, but damn these can be gorgeous firearms! Not only a very fine article, but your expansive and clarifying comments, done with more politeness than some would show (and not just on this page, but on many others), reveal you to be a gentleman, and a very good teacher. . Short enough to keep interest.”. Engraving is amateurish and the safety doesn’t work, but it has a certain charm about it… now if only I could hit a crossing clay I’ll be ready to try my hand at a dove or two. Learned a lot from the article. Don’t you get frustrated with the incredible amount of ignorance and arrogance displayed by so many these days? If the production cost of a shotgun was higher than the market price, there would be no market for them, because there’d be no way to sell them at a profit. Doing it correctly and completely makes the price go up rapidly, because it isn’t easily automated. I have a CZ (HUGLU) Ringneck SxS. Let’s say that most modern gun barrels have walls of about 0.035″ thick. If my conversion rates are correct, it should be slightly under 1.5K. I never considered the two choke ability for close range and then long range shooting. If I didn’t already love the work I do, I’d run out to Utah and work for you. The Perazzi MX8 has a long time reputation for strength and durability. Assembling the gun for the first time was absolutely free of any of the drama that has accompanied the assembly of other brand-new over/unders; because everything’s already been fitted together, the break-in period doesn’t rely on the various metal parts lapping themselves against one another, so there’s no undue force required to snap the fore end in place, nor was the gun unduly difficult to open. All four brands owned by Fabbrica d’Armi Pietro Beretta. Then there are the details of construction. When it comes to guns, even most of the gun people are so prejudiced, so set on maintaining the ignorance and making the same mistakes over and over, that I’m just as happy making parts for old tractors and harvesters. Obviously, to do this correctly 146 out of 150 times at targets moving at speeds of up to 110 miles per hour requires a high degree of expertise on the shooter’s part, but it also demands the use of a gun that has been absolutely perfectly fitted until it becomes an extension of the shooter’s arm, rather than an 8 pound weight flung about at the end of one. I hope you will ensure and purchase among Perazzi Shotguns immediately after read this best reviews . The classic SxS “field” gun would be configured with a Modified or Improved choke on the first barrel, and a Full choke on the second barrel. Thanks again, and well done! I’ve ordered pre-profiled barrels from some major custom barrel makers, who have spun the pre-profiled barrel on a belt grinder. 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